Author: avoidingstasis
Published: Mar 2nd, 2010
Category: General
Comments: 21

aaarrrgghhh

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Virginia, the first to fall?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#35531536

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21 Responses to “aaarrrgghhh”

MsJilly
on Mar 2nd, 2010
@ 10:33 pm:

I refuse to believe that my child’s disability is a punishment from god for any reason. He can go to hell. I’d probably spit on him if I saw him face-to-face.
Tallgirl71
on Mar 3rd, 2010
@ 8:32 am:

We’re talking about Virginia – why are you surprised?
Tallgirl71
on Mar 3rd, 2010
@ 8:34 am:

Oh watch the whole clip, Jilly – it gets better….
Tallgirl71
on Mar 3rd, 2010
@ 9:51 am:

Oh and Rich Mullins once told his sister – who had just given birth to a special needs child – that he was so proud of her because God only gives special children to special people who can give them special love.

Mandolin was meant to come into the world, and you got her because you were totally up for the challenge. I’m proud of you, and I’m pretty sure God is too.
avoidingstasis
on Mar 3rd, 2010
@ 10:25 pm:

you are two really amzing, wonderful women!
PS
I would say that guy is an ass, but that would be giving him too much credit.
Tallgirl71
on Mar 4th, 2010
@ 8:23 am:

I looked the study he was rambling about up online and it says there is increased change of premature birth and low birth weight in women who have had previous abortions – both spontaneous and induced. So – for the slow on the uptake – spontaneous abortion is commonly known as miscarriage. So, in the world of Bob Marshall God/nature/whatever is going to punish a woman for something she had no control over. What an idiot.
Sheila222
on Mar 4th, 2010
@ 2:43 pm:

Did any of you catch the Diane Rehm show on NPR this morning and hear the discussion of the human genome and how it relates to disease and individualized care in the future based upon your genetic findings? Anyhow,, very interesting. It is all a huge cosmic collision of your genes (which are made up of molecules made up of atoms made up of subatomic parts [God may be a quark and this is not blasphemy except to SFB,, who knows?]).

I have a very dear friend who has a Down’s child. She feels that she was given this baby because she was a special ed teacher and can provide more understanding/help/managing resources for this kid than other folks. Maybe. If it helps you to think that way, who am I to argue.

The more you look, the more statistics you can provide to support any point of view one has (gosh knows, being right is everything, isn’t it??). How about someone pointing out to him the number of normal pregancies and children that follow elective abortions. That number is far far greater than his analysis of any data he can find to support his argument. He is entitled to say, hey,, I think life begins at conception. He doesn’t need to provide supporting arguments that are brain spasms in defense of his position. (and let’s not even consider the fact that most spontaneous abortions are felt to be due to some developmental flaw in the embryo/fetus, etc. genetic or otherwise)

This is a rambling post,, just had many points to make but didn’t want to specifically dwell on any unless someone showed additional interest.
MsJilly
on Mar 4th, 2010
@ 5:03 pm:

sheila, my daughter’s disability isn’t a genetic issue. We’ve had some extensive testing etc. my daughter’s disability is likely due to complications during pregnancy and then some birth injury/trauma. it was a rough ride. there are some muscle issues that may (and may is like hitting powerball here) be because of genetics, but for the most part, have a cord tied in a knot and then wraped around your neck during labor causes problems, and then when your heart stops several times leading to an emergency c-section 30 hours into labor, you’re lucky to be alive. that’s why we never thought of any of that medical malpractice stuff. i’ve never had an abortion or a miscarriage, i may have one in the future, i can’t say i won’t. but his statements reminded me of the arguments people used to use to treat people with disabilities in horrible ways. there’s not a big line in “you had an abortion and god’s mad at you so you got a special needs kid” to “god’s mad at you for ANY reason so you got a special needs kid” and then further “god cursed you with special needs therefore we’re going to (insert bad thing here).” this man doesn’t know the god i know and he apparently didn’t read the bible i read if he’s willing to fall down that slippery slope. my daughter already has a life of fighting in front of her, she doesn’t need to think that god hates her and that’s why she’s different.
Sheila222
on Mar 4th, 2010
@ 5:17 pm:

You totally make my point. What happens when we have a child where something goes wrong generally falls under the category of things no one can predict or protect for- you do your best. The point about my friend was that if it were me, I couldn’t accept that God gave me a certain child because he thought I could better care for it than someone else. That’s a rationalization to me- if it helps her deal with it, fine,, but I would pretty much leave God out of it. I certainly don’t think my autistic granddaughter is the result of anyone’s sin. They are waiting on the results of genetic screening, but it looks like this is going to be random event.
MsJilly
on Mar 4th, 2010
@ 9:19 pm:

genetic testing isn’t very conclusive when it comes to autism. sure it appears to be genetic, but who knows? i’m not mad at anyone for “making” my daughter any way. i’m mad for her because some asshole assumes so and that sort of attack dehumanizes her in a way that i’m not comfortable going along with. i don’t think god “gave me” a child with a disability because i’m strong enough or because i was a special ed teacher etc, but i know that these facts helps my daughter out a lot. I think i was lucky to get my daughter who is the light of my life and now it’s my job to make sure she understands that i see her as perfect and sure, she has to work harder, but hard work is good for you. i learned a long time ago that blame gets no one anywhere and the parents that blame and sue and bitch are the ones whose kids suffer the most. my kid has enough to fight against without having to fight me too. i’ve had to cut several family memebers out of our lives (mainly my mother) because they couldn’t get over the fact that Mandolin has a disability, so I mean it when I say I’d do pretty much anythng for her. I’m not just angry that the politician said something so horrid, I’m angry that there’s a whole sect of society that really believes that horseshit and like it or not, they’re ready to harm children like mine because of it, and if this man isn’t tossed out of office, it means this sect of society is large and open to the public. It means that they’ve been validated in the public eye. is it very christian of me to wish ill on this man and these people? nope. but i’m living in enough reality to admit that i’m not being very christian. they really can’t say the same.
Rosary
on Mar 5th, 2010
@ 10:41 am:

(Fair disclosure, I haven’t watched the clip.)

I’d say the idjits who say anything is a “punishment” from God are the unChristian ones. After all, the NT certainly argues that Christ died to save us from our sins–past, present and future. So God has no need to punish anyone.

I’ll stop before I get all philosophical and ranty.
nagual4a
on Mar 5th, 2010
@ 6:23 pm:

I feel like most people are a punishment from God to me.

Seriously, since I was old enough to remember I’ve always been amazed at the sheer stupidity of most people. Once america actually ENBRACED this stupidity at the dawn of the Gump Age it was pretty much all over.

Case in point: I’m contemplating buying (for $1) a 530 page book Alan Greenspan published in 2007. It would seem to me any psychologist/psychiatrist would be willing to pay THOUSANDS for such a book. I mean, this would be him in full blown delusion just literally DAYS before his fantasy world came tumbling down around him. But is it really worth reading the 530 pages? (given that I already knew when I was 8 that Republican fiscal policy could only have such an outcome).

discuss…..
roger
on Mar 5th, 2010
@ 11:47 pm:

When you hold a baby, there’s you & the baby, and nothing else matters, not the genome, not ideals, not woulda/shoulda/coulda’s, not the need, the special need, just you and the baby. Tomorrow morning, the rest of the stuff may be important, but tonight it’s just you and the baby.
nagual4a
on Mar 6th, 2010
@ 2:13 pm:

Well thats just silliness Rogerooni. Probably the only time in ones life that “nothing else matters” would be the brief fraction of a second before you actually die. And what’s the deal about “tonight”? Does this imaginary condition only occur once the sun goes down?

You got some flaky thing going with a cabbage patch doll or something? WTF?

Was this another example of your “nonsense speak” theory?

Are all republicans developmentally disabled? (ie…retards)

discuss…..
MsJilly
on Mar 6th, 2010
@ 3:20 pm:

actually nag, retarded and developmentally disabeled do not mean the same thing, they’re two different classifications of disability. my daughter is developmentally disabeled, but she’s not retarded. she has none of the IQ, social, emotional, or mental impairments associated with a profound disability classification, like being mentally retarded of being on the severe end of the autism scale. However, she’s far behind her age group in hitting developmental milestones. Recently she’s been showing early signs of a specific form of learning disability. However, in a few of the skill areas, she’s far ahead of her peers. One can have a learning disability and still be incredibly intelligent, so we’ll have to wait and see when she’s in school.
Vanda52
on Mar 6th, 2010
@ 7:13 pm:

If only you had named the child say Banjo or even ,oh I don’t know, maybe Saxaphone I’m sure things would be different Jilly .
roger
on Mar 6th, 2010
@ 10:37 pm:

It would be impolite not to acknowledge I’ve read everything. And teaching a pig to sing to make it a conversation.
Regards, R
Sheila222
on Mar 6th, 2010
@ 11:19 pm:

Saw a yellow rumped warbler at the feeder today. There is another warbler hanging around,, but the dang things just won’t sit still long enough for me to get my book and field glasses (even though it is only a distance of about 15 feet,, I can’t tell the minute detail that separates these guys from that distance) and cogitate on what they might be. Bluebirds aplenty and now both the female and male squirrel will eat out of my hand.
Tallgirl71
on Mar 7th, 2010
@ 8:52 am:

Nag said: “I feel like most people are a punishment from God to me.”

And most of us feel that way about Nag.

Actually, the comment made me laugh.
MsJilly
on Mar 7th, 2010
@ 9:43 pm:

would a rose by any other name smell as sweet, allan? actually mandolin, while not overly common, is a recognized female name in italy.
nagual4a
on Mar 9th, 2010
@ 7:59 pm:

Rogerooni, it would be impolite not to acknowlege that I have no clue what ” And teaching a pig to sing to make it a conversation.” was meant to communicate. Is it a coherent thought? It certainly isn’t a coherent sentence.

Is this another failed attempt at ‘nonsense speak’?